Henrik Sönnerlind
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Posted:
6 months ago
24.07.2025, 11:05 GMT-4
For (2), you can change the volume reference temperature to User defined. As expression, you can use a withsol() operator to pick up results from a previous study. Combine that with a General Extrusion operator that maps the temperature from the surface of the substrate through the thickness of the deposited layer.
For (3), If you use an Activation node to make the film come alive, I don't think it will matter if the intrinsic stress is defined always. However, you can always multiply the intrinsic stress with a boolean like (t>1.3) to ensure that it is zero until it is needed.
However, the whole concept of combining an intrinsic stress with a deposition at a new reference temperature sound a bit odd to me. Would not the deposition result in a stress-free state at the deposition temperature?
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Henrik Sönnerlind
COMSOL
For (2), you can change the volume reference temperature to *User defined*. As expression, you can use a withsol() operator to pick up results from a previous study. Combine that with a General Extrusion operator that maps the temperature from the surface of the substrate through the thickness of the deposited layer.
For (3), If you use an *Activation* node to make the film come alive, I don't think it will matter if the intrinsic stress is defined always. However, you can always multiply the intrinsic stress with a boolean like (t>1.3) to ensure that it is zero until it is needed.
However, the whole concept of combining an intrinsic stress with a deposition at a new reference temperature sound a bit odd to me. Would not the deposition result in a stress-free state at the deposition temperature?
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Posted:
6 months ago
24.07.2025, 13:31 GMT-4
Thank you. That gives me a pathway.
A follow up question for (2): The substrate still needs to have "Room Temperature" as the volume reference temperature. While I can use the withsol operator + general extrusion for the film, how can have the substrate still use the "Room Temperature" as the vol-ref-temp?
(3) I frankly do not understand this 100%. But, it seems like in addition to the thermal strain, process parameters induce intrinsic stress even at the deposition conditions.
Thank you. That gives me a pathway.
A follow up question for (2): The substrate still needs to have "Room Temperature" as the volume reference temperature. While I can use the withsol operator + general extrusion for the film, how can have the substrate still use the "Room Temperature" as the vol-ref-temp?
(3) I frankly do not understand this 100%. But, it seems like in addition to the thermal strain, process parameters induce intrinsic stress even at the deposition conditions.
Henrik Sönnerlind
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Posted:
6 months ago
25.07.2025, 10:06 GMT-4
Use different features (and thus selections) for the thermal expansion of the substrate and the film. Then, you can easily define different reference temperatures.
If you want to use a single feature, you can instead assign the temperature as variable, and then define this variable differently in different domains.
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Henrik Sönnerlind
COMSOL
Use different features (and thus selections) for the thermal expansion of the substrate and the film. Then, you can easily define different reference temperatures.
If you want to use a single feature, you can instead assign the temperature as variable, and then define this variable differently in different domains.
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Posted:
6 months ago
28.07.2025, 16:05 GMT-4
Thank you so much, Henrik. Would you be able to point to some example model that I can follow?
Sincerely,
Ram.
Thank you so much, Henrik. Would you be able to point to some example model that I can follow?
Sincerely,
Ram.
Henrik Sönnerlind
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Posted:
6 months ago
29.07.2025, 03:16 GMT-4
I don't know if there are any examples exactly similar to what you intend to do, but if you, for example, want to find models where a general extrusion coupling operator is used, you can type @tag\:genext in the search field in the Application Libraries pane.
An example of deposition at different temperatures is layered_plate. That example also displays that Activation is not always intuitive. No new volume reference temperature is set for the last layer. Since activation is done in a stress-free state, the volume reference temperature can be seen as implicit.
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Henrik Sönnerlind
COMSOL
I don't know if there are any examples exactly similar to what you intend to do, but if you, for example, want to find models where a general extrusion coupling operator is used, you can type `@tag\:genext` in the search field in the *Application Libraries* pane.
An example of deposition at different temperatures is layered_plate. That example also displays that *Activation* is not always intuitive. No new volume reference temperature is set for the last layer. Since activation is done in a stress-free state, the volume reference temperature can be seen as implicit.